Of course there are moderate moslems. There are Moslems saints and wise men. There are beautiful Moslems and happy Moslems and Moslems who sacrifice their own lives to save the lives of humans who are not Moslems.
I feel badly that I have had to be critical of the misinformation and disinformation of our politicians and media. Their cupidity about Islamaphobia and political correctness surrounding terrorism forces everyone to ask, “why are they lying?” To know they are lying follows asking “Is Islam the religion of peace?"
Islam is no more the religion of peace than Christianity is the religion of love. It has long been said that the founders of all religions would not going the religions named for them if they were alive today. Further what people say and what people do is one thing. What there followers do is quite another. Mohammed was a warrior and a killer. He did at times preach peace. By contrast Jesus was a healer and a teacher who did not kill and did preach love. Buddha was an elite prince who renounced the world and became a monk who encouraged non violence. Abraham and the other founders of Judaism including Moses and David were patriarchs, kings and warriors. Some were prophets. And all religions have martyrs. Hinduism is a polytheistic mystical religion begun in the times of warriors but carried forward by ascetic monks and sages. Confucianism which some say is not a religion but more a philosophy was begun by a eurocrat working for a warlord.
History is made for the winners of wars. We don’t hear much about the Quakers, a particularly non violent group of Christians any more than we hear much about the Sufis a usually non violent group of Muslims.
The fact is violence is the work of men and women who want power. Having power they want to retain it and use religions of all stripes to maintain it. They justify their violence and greed with religion. In the case of the atheist communists they don’t say a prophet told them but instead say their guru Marx or prophet Lenin told them to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with them. Robespierre an anti-Christian deist was behind the French Revolution killing tens of thousands of his enemies.
Triangulation is a psychological defence in which one individual abdicates from responsibility of their actions one to another by attributing their behaviour to a third party. Today if an individual told me he had attacked me because his voices told him to, I’d consider him insane. However, many a world leader has attributed violence to ‘voices’, “laws’, ‘committees’, “Gods”, ‘the people’, and today maybe Aliens, all as a means to confuse and control. No one is certain whether or not it’s worse if a world leader actually believes his own shit or is just using this for the benefit of power acquisition and justification for treating others poorly. A common ‘defence’ is the ‘greater good’ and for the future. Today all manner of shit is being said on behalf of the ‘future’ and for ‘the planet’.
In terms of logic and fallacy it’s always an ‘appeal to authority’. There are also laws on earth for the rich and the poor. The judges who would disagree would themselves be killed. The winners write history. The losers, lacking tanks and jets, create the best propaganda and makes the best promises. They usually have maternal sexy babes with lose morals. The appeal for young men is a sort of mixed of sex and authority thing. This is not to say that the rulers don’t have their share of “honey pots’ but the women of the ruling classes are more likely to say something like “give them cake’ rather than listen ad infinitum to their rambling intellectualism.
To the best of my understanding, Moslem countries are generally conservative. It is worth remembering that secularism broadly speaking, the separation of ‘state’ and “religion” is condemned by Muslim intellectuals, and further in most Muslim majority states even where there is secularism there is a parallel court system of ‘sharia law’.
(Canada is definitely moving in this direction with their aboriginal or pagan court system parallel to the mainstream secular court system. There are also some ‘sharia court systems’ in Canada but no Catholic, Christian, or Buddhist court system showing the fundamental break down of equality and freedom in Canada as just one example of devolution of western secularism. In Europe sharia courts are proliferating just as ‘gang’ justice proliferated in former communist countries after the fall. )
The most liberal of the older Moslem countries appears to be Turkey, Tunesia, and Egypt. It is worthwhile to note that these states, though Muslim majority, are under attack to Jihadists indicating how costly it is to be a ‘moderate’ Muslim or indeed a secularist Muslim in the world today. The Jihadists are equally if not more hysterically enraged by their brother Muslim’s who refuse to accept their dictatorship.
(This is not surprising given that the French revolution killed tens of thousands of their own people while the various communist revolutions killed millions of their own people who disagreed with them. Indeed “either you’re for us or a gin us’ is neither religious or secular but equally revolutionary as the standard revolutionary argument, ‘if you don’t agree with me, I’ll kill you’. ‘Ad hominem’ rhetoric or attack on the person in debate causes ‘forfeiture’ of the logical argument because a long long time ago men realized they couldn’t have a decent game of golf without agreeing that anyone who starts hacking the competition with swords or axes might well live but he will never be respected as a golfer.”
When we think of Conservative or Liberal we general think of freedoms that the citizens have. Iceland is often touted as a very ‘free’ country but it has to be remembered that comparison of countries is difficult without consideration of the countries make up. Iceland is a white tribe whereas both Turkey and the US are nations of many different racial and political groups. Mexico its a conglomerate of Indian groups plus the later European immigrants.
So ‘freedom for the people’ in general really took off in the 1800’s with the American (1776) and French Revolution. The British Magna Carta (1215) before it had nothing to do with the peasants but rather challenged the divinity and authority of the king versus the barons. This is like democracy itself which was developed by the ‘lords’ and ‘landowners’ of ancient Greece. The Christian Suffragette movement extended the ‘vote’ to women like the American Civil War extended the ‘vote’ to blacks. A key questions is always ‘who are the people’ and further ‘who can be the leader’. In aboriginal society it was common for there to be ’slaves’ and for non tribe members to be considered ‘other than human’. This is going on today in Canada where an immigrant Sihk is the defence minister of Canada but a US presidential candidate born in Canada is being questioned as whether or not he is an American. Most nations in the world are highly restrictive, incredibly nationalistic, tribalistic and racist in this regard. Some say that the Desert Spring of the Middleeast was the civil war and political uprising of the common people that was occurring 200 years later.
Moderation has described the way countries deal with dissent. Some countries behead dissenting individuals while others jail them. Others have a wide variety of means for individuals to be critical of their own government. I’d personally be jailed or beheaded, I believe, in any other country but Canada where Justin Trudeau is our Prime Minister. I don’t doubt either that Mr. Justin Trudeau would wish as Mr. Harper his predecessor might wish that ‘beheading of dissidents’ was a Canadian ‘custom’ given the rude criticism our extraordinary leaders are subjected to. Canada has freedom of speech like England and like American. Few Muslem countries are moderate in this way.
But yes there are very moderate individual Muslims. I know some who are outrageously radical. They are living in the west because they do not believe they would do well in the countries they have left. They are ‘cultural’ escapees. They have come to Canada for the freedom they didn’t experience in the Moslem culture in their home. They prefer the freedoms and moderation and liberties in Canadian culture and they surely do not want Sharia Law or for the culture they left to become dominant in Canada or the west. They are in many ways like the Puritan Christians who left England because of religious persecution by the State Religion of those who questioned the authority of the church leadership and wanted a more democratic religious church. The authoritarianism of the Catholic church with the Pope gave rise to the religious wars that begat Protestant Christianity with is nationalist churches as well as it’s presbyterian and congregationalist churches. Today the fastest growing community Christian churches are in many ways the most democratic with ministers selected by the congregation and voted on rather than being appointed top down by the centralized church authority. Most Muslims I know came to get away from the authorities and restriction there and love their new home. Commonly immigrants cite ‘corruption’ in their former countries and a desire to make a ‘new start’ in the country they are going to. This doesn’t mean that there is no corruption here but the corruption is different and consequently there is more ‘opportunity’ here. Not uncommonly there is movement back and forth with regard to economic refugees and whole classes of individuals like the ‘gypsies’ who reject national boundaries all together to the great consternation of those most invested in national boundaries. Indeed the countless trade agreements these days is a direct consequence of the entrenching corruption associated directly with ‘boundaries’.
My Muslim friends here are more Canadian than I am in that regard to their appreciation of the freedoms we know in Canada. h.
I just regret that we all have had to look at the numbers and the risks that exist because our media so commonly is interested these days in selling war while some of our political leadership are most interested in selling to the lowest common denominator.
The result is lies.
There are a whole lot of radical muslems. Wahhabism sect of the Sunni Muslem, preached as a central tenet of mainstream Saudi Arabia are fundamentally anti freedom, anti western, anti secular, jihadist and commonly utterly disrespectful of other religions and cultures. The salafists are jihadist until proven otherwise. The aim of these Muslems is world domination in the same way that Hitler and the Nazi’s were world domination or Stalin and the Communists. To them Muslim is a religion of peace means quite simply when all the world is Muslim and "we are in charge” and “we have killed all who won’t convert”, then we will have peace.
Most moderates believe in a balance of power. Moderates respect respect religious freedom. I love that I have Muslim neighbours, Buddhist neighbours, Hindu neighbours, Pagan neighbours, Jewish neightbours, Christian neighbours and even atheist neighbours. I like all the colours of the rainbow. I love the diversity that we know in Canada. I know there are those who want only to eat cereal for breakfast and insist everyone else eat cereal for breakfast like they do but I like choice. I really am a big proponent of freedom and choice for individuals and communities. I am a Canadian. I like that I can joke with my moderate Muslim friends about ‘all roads leading to Rome’ but that Christians will have the better housing district and Muslims will have to live on the other side of the tracks. They say they will have the virgins and I say I will have the music and maybe one virgin. We don’t kill each other any more than I do with my female Buddhist friend who at the same time tells us men that she believes we will not get to heaven in the next life but rather will reincarnate as pigs. To which my Hindu friend insists that he was a pig in a previous life and that’s where he learned his bad habits. My Catholic friend loves bacon but doesn’t like this talk of pigs. She rejects Jews and Moslems because she love her bacon. And such a conversation among friends can occur in Canada among a group of deeply spiritual and religious individuals who are moderates. I don’t know any fanatics. I expect if I did I’d have to kill them before they killed me. So as a Canadian I prefer peace because I can get on with science, loving, community and art rather than devoting myself to watching my back and killing the fanatics before they kill me.
I am a physician too. Physicians commonly say ‘moderation in everything.’ So I like my moderate friends and am skeptical of my extremist friends. I have no fanatic friends but I certainly have friends whose behaviours and thoughts are extreme by my personal rather conservative behaviour and thought. I am however most skeptical of those that lie especially politicians and the media. Lying people in power scare me. Scaring people pushes them to extremes. I therefore wonder why some people in power who lie and deny legitimate concerns and threat are so anti moderation and in favour of war. That concerns me. I’m less concerned about my moderate Muslim friends than I am about liars in general. All my Muslim friends are equally concerned about radicals and extremists as I am. None of my moderate Muslim academic doctor friends favour jihadists. The moderate muslim psychiatrists I know think they’re psychopaths. Why are our political leaders and their media not equally concerned? That’s what concerns me? Indeed as my moderate muslim friends are against the fundamentalist and extremist muslims, those who don’t wish to integrate into Canadian society but rather wish to dominate and subjugate Canadian culture or isolate and plan jihad, then quite simply the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hence the Jordan pilot,a muslim, and the Kurdish women brigade, muslims, are my friends.
My concern is whether my leadership or their propaganda media are my friends? I thank them only so far as their own violence has helped me clarify who are really the enemies of peace and the enemies of Canada and western secularism.
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